artsy farts
This is one is for tosa crosser since he feels the arts in this country get a bum rap. I stated the billions wasted on art. I was a wrong - it is a bunch of billions. The liberal ass that wrote the article in the globe even took a shoot at Regan for taking away the tax break to donate to the arts. So I really care about art only if it’s a tax break for me. Nice Thursday, January 31, 2008 But Federal subsidy of the arts in our country accounts for only about 15 percent of the total budgets of established arts institutions, as compared to between 60 and 100 percent in more civilized nations. (The US gives about 9 billion and West Germany gives $26 billion just to the theater.) Still, in the mean-spirited climate bequeathed us by the Reagan legacy, in which the arts are impoverished along with the poor, in which philanthropy is discouraged by the new tax laws and in which corporate and foundation giving usually goes to special projects designated by the donor, the restricted percent contribution remains indispensable at a estimated $9 billion per year. Two paragraphs later Apparently freedom of expression remains a Federal guarantee - unless supported by Federal subsidy. A staff member to Senator D'Amato said that the Senator was ''absolutely opposed to censorship, but we are talking about taxpayers' dollars.'' (Half dollars would be more accurate: the Endowment's funding has been frozen at $70 billion for the next eight years.) But Senator D'Amato's concern is touching in one so deeply implicated in the burgeoning Federal housing scandal. Ok just waiting on the comment now on how much the war cost per day to justify pure tax payer waste. 70 billion over 8 years. I would rather see it spent in schools on books, without pictures.
UPDATE
Well I have been on a conference call the past two hours and have been looking at what the endowment has paid for or will be. What a joke this is a slush fund for pet projects. More than 3b of the money in 08 will go to upgrading the entire PEG (public, education, goverment TV) programming across the county to digital before the 09 deadline. Another 1 b will be release to communities for common area beatification. Then 1.6 b will be shifted to the National education budget for art appreciation. So I stand corrected the amount going to the arts is less than they make you think.
UPDATE
Well I have been on a conference call the past two hours and have been looking at what the endowment has paid for or will be. What a joke this is a slush fund for pet projects. More than 3b of the money in 08 will go to upgrading the entire PEG (public, education, goverment TV) programming across the county to digital before the 09 deadline. Another 1 b will be release to communities for common area beatification. Then 1.6 b will be shifted to the National education budget for art appreciation. So I stand corrected the amount going to the arts is less than they make you think.
posted by bmxmtbfam at 6:46 PM
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Money on art is never wasted, just the ability to see it.
Wouldn't you rather have your sons learn with the help of pictures in their books, or is keeping them ignorant more important for the "tax payers"?
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no porn is not art
Porn is self supporting, it needs no funding.
But you were talking art, not porn. Edwin Meese can describe art.
"This is one is for tosa crosser since he feels the arts in this country get a bum rap. "
Just how did my correcting what you stated turn into my feeling that the arts in this country get a bum rap? I never made any judgment on the funding at all, that question was never asked of me and you know it.
Frankly, I think the arts do just fine in this country. The vast majority of institutional funding come from private and corporate donors, and the system in general works fine. The amount of money provided through grants by the federal gov't via the NEA is paltry at best.
You can make the argument (perhaps rightly so) that giving to non-profit, tax exempt cultural institutions shouldn't be tax free but if you do, you'd better be prepared to defend the tax-free status of of other institutions in this country, namely: RELIGIOUS GROUPS and EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS. You can call yourself the church of anything and have AUTOMATIC tax exempt status. Now that I have a problem with.
No you made the statement the Art muesum did not use tax dollars. That is not true they received a good number of state and feredal grants.
Plus the work to bring new services for sewer water and power service was all paid for by the county tax payers. I know this becuase my cousins company did all the work and the have a county bond, not a public. Not to mention all the plumbing for the fountians and the 400 feet of new side walk they poured and the ramp over lake drive to the parking structure.
I DO ENJOY the art as well as anyone else but the public should know that its not only walmart that gets the freebies from the tax payer.
Also there was no way the stadium would have ever been allowed to build downtown. Every building must have two things, a tax id and a permit to connect to the sewerage system. I spent 6 years in a machine fixings bad sewerage spans in milwaukee. The system in milwaukee is way to small. The harley muesum was given the no go at the brown bottle for that reason. all the condo in the area top out the capacity. This is the very reason why they tore down the hunk of freeway along water. Once the bridge was down DF T was in there putting two new main that connected to the feeded along 11th street.
Start from the top:
You: "Whats even more intresting is they both went hugely over budget and really served no purpose but to waste huge massive amounts of money in the name of art."
Me: "Um, sorry, but the art museum addition wasn't built with public money and has nothing to do with your precious tax dollars. The financing was strictly private and corporate giving."
You: "No you made the statement the Art muesum did not use tax dollars. That is not true they received a good number of state and feredal grants."
OK, let's get this straight. As you can see, I never said that the Art Museum didn't use tax dollars. I said that the Calatrava addition was paid for through private and corporate giving. This is a true statement. You can gripe about the county providing infrastructure but then again, you'd have to gripe about that anytime the county, city, whomever provides infrastructure for a project- which they do routinely. If you think that the developer of a project always pays the infrastructure costs, you're dreaming.
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